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i have a punny 8.13:1 engine at the moment ...if i put higher compresssion pistons in ...what are concerns and how high can i go ..??

i was only thinking of going to STD 9.75:1 nothing silly


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Hi Keith,

The standard H/C pistons are 9.35/1 the 9.75/1 are the original Vitesse pistons.

If it's for the LDV I would stick with 9.35/1 for 95 octane petrol, but if your running LPG all the time it may be better to go with the Vitesse ones.

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I use 10.5:1 P6 pistons in my LDV running on LPG. Seems OK so far......!

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Thankyou Kevin and chris , is there anything else i need to change ...

heads ? , i might very well do all the shells while its apart

can i reuse the head bolts , i put new ones in when i did the engine before fitting ?
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Hi
If the head bolts are the normal non torque to yield type then they can be reused.
Compression wise it is the old chestnut of depends on your cam but assuming fairly normal cam timing (standard cam of a little more timing) then I would think 10.25:1 is the upper limit on the rover on unleaded petrol so your 9:75:1 is safe.
How long is it since the shells were last changed? as if it was less than 60k miles ago I can't see why you would want to change them, again I presume this is a pretty standard lump. If I was to freshen anything then it would be cam and tappets, over about 25-30k the cam is loosing lift over a new one.
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thankyou mike , i intend to use second hand pistons and rods so for the sake of £18.00 i was going to change the shells for new ones
it is a very std engine , just it's only 8.13:1 at the moment ...

anyone got any 9.75:1 pistons sitting around collecting dust ....???
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right got the pistons ( well whole block and heads too ) ...

tin or composite head gaskets for 9.75:1 compression ??
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Your head gaskets depend on your head combustion chamber volume. If you want to use composite gaskets with tin-gasket-heads, then you need to skim 1mm from the heads to allow for the thicker composite gaskets.

I would skim and fit composites with old style head bolts.

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thankyou Chris , am i going to notice any power increase from doing all this ?

any better or worse fual consumption ?

getting just over 15 mpg on gas now
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Hard to say. Probably your biggest restriction is the mixer. Yours is fitted to the AFM isn't it?, rather than the plenum.

I get about 15MPG too, so you're doing OK!

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will increasing the compression give more power overall ?

i notice the manuals give about 135 bhp for the 8.13:1 and about 160 for the 9.35:1 ..and i'm going to 9.75:1

i can't beilve that differance but anything extra is ok
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if you are upping the CR you should see brtter peek torque and peek power however your LPG set up should strangle all the peek power gain out of it! If you are on lpg you really want to get the CR up much higher but that is another issue!
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thankyou guys i have just phoned the fellow who was selling it and it's not a 9.75 but a 9.35 ...so no go ...

on the look out again for a p6 set ...
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P5 / P6 pistons like hens teeth!

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If 9.35 CR is with a comp gasket then use a tin one and gain a bit more compression, just have to shim the rocker shaft pedistals a bit :D . I would rather use a tin gasket as it gives you a slightly better squish.
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