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SU carburettors on a 4.6

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When I was investigating options for my 4.6, which has been driving my 1974 P6B for almost one year now, I was initially concerned that maybe the twin HIF6 1 3/4" SU carburettors may not be adequate for the task.

As it would happen, my fears and concerns were to be unfounded.

My 4.6 retains the Rover 180 degree dual plane low rise inlet manifold, fitted with the twin SU HIF6 carburettors. Both were overhauled prior to installation, receiving new seal kits, new butterflies without poppet valves, and new floats set to 60 thou.

The inlet manifold remained as per original. Opening out the inside of the tower and the inlet runners was not attempted as the flow characteristics of the manifold would still be largely influenced by the cross sectional area of the rest of the runners which would be untouched. Any improvement in power delivery would be only evident above 4000 rpm, an area which my tall geared automatic P6b would rarely visit.

After the running in period, the original P6B needles and aircleaner were replaced by BBW needles and a new aircleaner with a substantial 3" inlet. Large free flowing K & N airfilters were also installed. Everything had been sized to ensure that there would be no impediment to the delivery of air to the engine. The exhaust system is also similarly sized, with a straight through muffler and resonator, or cannon if you prefer with a 3" outlet. Very deep and bassy. :D

Running on a rolling road, the needles were polished to match as closely as possible the optimum air/fuel ratio from off idle to redline. Ignition timing was also advanced. With all other variables being equal, on the dyno a 53% increase in power at the rear wheels was seen compared to the 3.5. :D

The outcome is fantastic,...29mph (9.8L/100km) country running,..better than I ever had with the original 3.5. :D

My 4.6 is a high torque Range Rover engine running a custom grind high torque cam. For my tall geared automatic P6B, it is absolutely brilliant! :D

The build and tuning were undertaken at Graeme Cooper Automotive, a Land Rover / Range Rover specialist here in Sydney, Australia.

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Cheers RoverP6B,

This is another step toward the end of my needle hunt! Thus retaining the simplicity and originality of my engine. Though my recently serviced 3.5 did 15mpg towing a week back so not bad.

It'll go into my Land Rover 110 when built, just a shame GKN have knocked their overdrive on the head. I believe there is a replacement coming out but is not ready yet.
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Does the octane rating for the fuel have a bearing on needle selection if so what is the octnae rating of the fuel you are using in Australia?
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Hello Simon,

The chosen needle is not dependent on the octane rating of the fuel.

Here is Australia, the octane rating ranges from 91 to 98. I have used both 95 and 98 with no difference in performance being noted.

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Post by ChrisJC »

That's very interesting. I run a 4.6 on SU's on my Landie, although because I always run on LPG, I've never bothered to set them up. Nor have I set up the ignition advance either.

Are you in a position to specify some standard needles & distributor components that are optimised for the 4.6?

Thanks,

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Post by RoverP6B »

Hello Chris,

I am pleased that you found my piece interesting.

The engine is using BBW needles, which are close but not exact, hence the reason they were polished. Being a custom job, no factory needle will be exact although some may well be very close.

The SU carburettors also received new yellow graded 8oz springs.

The engine was fitted with a new Lucas 35D8 distributor, which was the type originally fitted to the 3.5 P6B engine. However, the rate of and total advance was not applicable for the 4.6, so the distributor was regraphed so that it would now match the requirements of the 4.6.

For my engine, dynamic timing is 9 degrees BTDC @ 600 rpm. Full mechanical advance has occured by 3700 rpm.

I am happy to provide as much information as I can.

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Post by ChrisJC »

So this distributor regraphing thing - are there any handy links which explain how it's done? I guess you need a rolling road to characterise the engine for starters....?

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Post by Simon B »

ChrisJC,

looks like we building or running the same motor, I'll be running mine mostly on lpg but need it to run on petrol as well as it is able. My lpg tank will be 80 or 90 litres so not large in terms of range, my petrol tank is about 44 litres (under seat auxiliary)

I would also be interested in seeing what dizzy work is required as mine may need a refresh during the rebuild too. If this isnt economic I may yet fit megasquirt - jury still out on economic (mine) grounds.

Th rest will be all normalish mods; high torque cam and gas flow the heads, inlet and outlet manifold. May fit elecy fan and mild steel tubular headers.
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Hello Chris,

I am writing a reply regarding distributor regraphing, and posting it over in the Electrical/Ignition category.

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