Which oil filter.

tetlow · Post by **tetlow** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:47 pm

I have a RV8 with a remote oil filter.

I can'f find anyone who sells my existing Fram PH966B which is a small diameter version.

Can someone recommend a equivalent please?

Cheers

Dave

Darkspeed · Post by **Darkspeed** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:51 pm

Google - fram filter list - went straight to Fram site - enter number in search and this is from the first of ten pages of results for PH966B - should be easy enough to get a Halfords or Champion or Mann filter equive from any one of a hundred places

PH966B BEDFORD Astra 1300 (01/82 - )
PH966B BEDFORD Astramax 1.3 (08/82 - )
PH966B BEDFORD Astramax 1.3 S (08/82 - )
PH966B BEDFORD Blitz 1.8 (08/69 - 10/87)
PH966B BEDFORD Blitz 2.3 (02/80 - 10/83)
PH966B BEDFORD CF Range 1.6 (01/69 - 02/72)
PH966B BEDFORD CF Range 1.8 (02/72 - 12/83)
PH966B BEDFORD CF Range 1.8, 2.3 (01/76 - )
PH966B BEDFORD CF Range 2.0 (01/69 - 02/72)
PH966B BEDFORD CF2 Range 2.0 (01/84 - )
PH966B FORD Escort 1.1 (06/70 - 02/76)
PH966B FORD Escort 1.3 (12/74 - 08/80)
PH966B FORD Escort 1.3 GT (09/70 - 01/75)
PH966B FORD Escort 1.6 Ghia, Sport (11/70 - 07/80)
PH966B FORD Escort 1.6 Ghia, Sport (11/70 - 07/80)
PH966B FORD Escort Mexico (11/70 - 09/80)
PH966B INNOCENTI Allegro 1300
PH966B INNOCENTI Allegro 1500
PH966B INNOCENTI Mini 1000, Mini 1001
PH966B INNOCENTI Mini 90, 120
PH966B INNOCENTI Mini Cooper 1300
PH966B INNOCENTI Mini Cooper 1300 Export
PH966B INNOCENTI Mini Cooper Mk III
PH966B INNOCENTI Mini Mille, Mini De Tomaso
PH966B INNOCENTI Mini Minor Mk II, Mk III

Heres the site and its really very useful for all sorts of cross reference ability - Found out what the obscure crossland was on my remote

http://www.sogefifiltration.com/index.aspx

Andrew

sidecar · Post by **sidecar** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:58 pm

Personally I would never fit a Fram filter to any engine that I owned.

I did some reaserch on the web and they did not come out well.

Below is an email that leaked out on to the web from someone that worked at Fram. (He could have been sacked for taking a dump on the DMs' desk for all I know so this could be him getting his own back!)

Email:-

I worked for two years as the oil-filter production line engineer in
an Allied-Signal FRAM facility and I can confirm every bad thing you
have said about FRAM automotive filters. That's from the horse's
mouth, as it were.

I'm also a quality engineer and can confirm that FRAM applies no
quality control whatsoever to any of the characteristics for which we
buy oil filters. I frequently saw filter designs which were barely
capable of meeting J806. Many of FRAM's designs will block and go to
bypass after trying to filter very little contamination. There were
often leakage paths at the paper end discs when these were not
properly centered on the elements. Some designs had the pleats so
tightly packed against the center tube that they would block off in no
time. I had discovered that the FRAM HP1 that I had been buying for
about $20 Cdn was EXACTLY the same as a PH8 inside - the only
difference being a heavier can - no advantages in flow capacity. The
paper filtration media was of apparently poor quality and the process
of curing the paper resin was very inconsistent - elements would range
from visibly burnt to white. FRAM's marketers admitted that there was
just about no way the public could ever prove that an oil filter
contributed, or did not prevent, engine damage. The only thing FRAM
tested for was can burst strength. Another problem that they have from
time to time is in threading the filter base - often there are strands
of metal left behind on a poorly formed thread.

I have not used a FRAM filter since I started working there. Their
claims are entirely and completely marketing bullshit.

If people really want to protect their engines, a good air filter is
vital (which excludes FRAM from that list as well) and a combination
of one depth and one full-flow hydraulic filter, together in parallel,
will do the job of filtration to perfection.

Thanks for doing a great job in trying to get the truth out! You can
quote me anytime.

HTH,

Pete

Darkspeed · Post by **Darkspeed** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:08 pm

Take a look at

http://www.autoair.co.uk/Filters.htm

and

http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oi ... index.html

Pretty useful I would say

Andrew

tetlow · Post by **tetlow** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:28 pm

Bloody hell

Cheers Gents.

I don't want a Fram now, and it seems I have the wrong one too.

I have another larger Fram PH2857A which is for the MGR. I would assume this is the one I shoud have assuming it fits!

From the info the OEM's seem to be the best.

Is Unipart still going?

Any suggestions?

Regards

Dave

Darkspeed · Post by **Darkspeed** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:47 pm

I use Mann filters - and with the Rover I would use the standard one as its huge and I would think that that is based on the engine being a low pressure high volume lube system.

Thankfully they apper to get a reasonable write up even though they only cost me about £3.50 locally.

Unipart are still going. -they may have a different name though - or else go with the local LR/RR dealer and use a '95 model 3.9 filter

Cheers

Andrew

tetlow · Post by **tetlow** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:53 pm

Thanks Andrew
Dave

Post by **katanaman** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:34 pm

Unipart still seems to be going, I was behind one of their delivery vans the other day. Must admit I thought they had bit the dust and was surprised to see the van. I always use the late LR/RR filter, cant say if its any better or worse but it does seem to be highly recommended. It is big though so a lot cant fit it.

badger · Post by **badger** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:13 pm

Unipart is actually UGC, Unipart Group of Companies. They own Partco amongst others, and are huuuuuge!
I use their stuff in the garage a lot, and I've always found the quality to be excellent, with one exception - triumph Stag V8 water pumps.....! A long story.

Darkspeed · Post by **Darkspeed** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:33 pm

Partco - I knew it had changed to something similar.

Andrew

softdash3.9 · Post by **softdash3.9** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:48 pm

katanaman wrote:Unipart still seems to be going, I was behind one of their delivery vans the other day. Must admit I thought they had bit the dust and was surprised to see the van. I always use the late LR/RR filter, cant say if its any better or worse but it does seem to be highly recommended. It is big though so a lot cant fit it.

I always use LR filters on my RR and my Sd1 Vitesse where possible, or Unipart as a second.

So seconded I suppose

HairbearTE · Post by **HairbearTE** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:41 pm

Working for Eurocarparts I get to see a lot of filters. In most applications I can offer the customer a choice of manufacturer for their filters. The best of them is certainly the 'hengst' brand. Although a little more expensive in most cases quality is top notch and they are the manufacturer for Mercedes own filters, I would always recommend them where available and use them myself.

TVRleigh · Post by **TVRleigh** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:51 pm

What the best filter if it's mounted upsidedown, as allways been told to use a fram unit as they have a one way valve, just wondered, if any of the other have this feature.

Thanks
Leigh

Darkspeed · Post by **Darkspeed** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:53 am

Check the write ups and you will see that the filters are mechanically all the same and Fram have the worst of everything...

I would not mount a filter upside down if I could help it - there will always be the possibility of drain back and that means starting the engine with longer periods of no oil pressure.

Andrew