DaveEFI wrote:stevieturbo wrote:DaveEFI wrote:Ah. I've not needed help, but did notice there was a forum for this, so supposed it worked like the MS one. Or this one, come to that.
Innovate has a forum too...but when there are inherent flaws with the product, no amount of forums will fix it.
Right. But if there is an inherent flaw, get your money back and buy something which hasn't?
Innovate does seem to come in for a lot of stick (not surprising since it has the biggest sales) - which is why I went for Tech Edge some years ago. But since then there are several newer and apparently good value products on the market - as tends to happen with electronics if the demand increases. I was attracted by being able to get a DIY assembly kit - same as MS in the US. The idea being if I built it I might be more able to fix it if ever necessary.
You have to get the supplier to recognise that the unit has faults for them to replace...and if you buy from US/Aus, replacements wont come with free postage etc. So often more hassle than it's worth.
Innovate would argue that how their controllers operate make them faster and more accurate than anything else, and they wont tolerate sensor problems.
Yet every other wideband on the market, and of course VW/Bosch themselves use the same sensor and dont have as many problems...and there are far more out there than Innovate have
If you by quality product in the first place, you dont need to fix or f**k about with anything. It will just work.
The last thing i want is to have to f**k about tracing DIY built parts when something goes wrong.
But it's how Innovate control the sensor is the biggest flaw with their product, although they'd say it's a positive. The actual gear itself is very good quality and well made. But because it gets so unhappy with sensors...I wouldnt buy another ( even though as said, I still use an old LM-1 car to car, mainly because it's very handy for that purpose )
Keep meaning to buy an alternative brand instead of new sensors though...maybe someday lol
On my own car I've had an FJO wideband in it since 2001 and apart from a couple of sensors, it has been and still is faultless.
Other sensor is controlled directly from the ecu so no need for external controllers in that respect.
FJO dont make them anymore though
but after reading about the differing heat pump tech I see that Innovate does things differently 
and not always for the good.
