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Paul B wrote: The engine oil pressure has nothing to do with the dipstick or whether it rises, but it might be a good idea to change it if it has sat festering for so long. Use a good 20/50, not some modern synthetic tosh.
If you're comparing a synthetic to a mineral oil of the same viscosity, the synthetic is better in every respect, and miles better in most respects.
Given a choice between a traditionalist view of sticking to mineral oil, and halving the wear in my engine, I'd go for the latter.


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5000SE wrote:
Paul B wrote: The engine oil pressure has nothing to do with the dipstick or whether it rises, but it might be a good idea to change it if it has sat festering for so long. Use a good 20/50, not some modern synthetic tosh.
If you're comparing a synthetic to a mineral oil of the same viscosity, the synthetic is better in every respect, and miles better in most respects.
Given a choice between a traditionalist view of sticking to mineral oil, and halving the wear in my engine, I'd go for the latter.
You can get 20/50 synthetic??? :shock:

I'll buy some if you're selling it. :D
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thev8kid wrote:i use a fully synthetic 20w/50 in my 3.9 from lucas oils.
didnt i say that a few posts back :roll:
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Paul B wrote:
5000SE wrote:
Paul B wrote: The engine oil pressure has nothing to do with the dipstick or whether it rises, but it might be a good idea to change it if it has sat festering for so long. Use a good 20/50, not some modern synthetic tosh.
If you're comparing a synthetic to a mineral oil of the same viscosity, the synthetic is better in every respect, and miles better in most respects.
Given a choice between a traditionalist view of sticking to mineral oil, and halving the wear in my engine, I'd go for the latter.
You can get 20/50 synthetic??? :shock:

I'll buy some if you're selling it. :D
It will make sod all difference whether it's 5W/50, 10W/50, 15W/50 or 20W/50.

The first figure (W rating) specifies the oil's viscosity at zero degrees centigrade - so that's winter cold start thickness. The second figure is the oil's viscosity at 100 degrees centigrade.

So, unless you have a particulalry unusual engine which runs with a sump temperature of zero, I really wouldn't worry about the first figure (except that, at cold startup, a 10W/50 or 15W/50 will get oil up to your cam and rockers a lot qucker than a 20W could).

You'll generally not find 20W/50 synthetics because the flatter viscosity index of a synthetic nearly always gives you as much broader viscosity range. Just don't be misled by what the gradings mean.

The best synthetics on the market are the Mobil One range - Mobil pateneted its synthetic polymerisation process many years ago, so while most other so-called synthetics are hydrostabilised and hydro-cracked mineral oil which are legally badgeable as synthetic, the Mobil One is the real deal. The stuff you buy in the shops is exactly the same as the stuff that goes into a F1 motor, and they do produce a 15W/50 version which the Rover engine is well suited to.
Better still, Mobil package a re-branded version for Halfords, and Halfords sell it a whole lot cheaper - and do 2 for 1 every few months.
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About the most common posting on this site is "my tappets rattle on start up and the oil pressure light is slow to go out, I changed my oil last week....." upon investigation by members here it turns out the poster changed the oil for somthing other that 20/50 (normally 15w/50 or even 10w/50) it does make a difference, it makes your tappets rattle on start up. As the cold oil is thinner the oil pump tends to drain down over night as is is an old design intended to work with nice thick and sticky 20/50 starving the bottom end on start up.
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I am running it on 15 W40 valvoline turbo V mineral without probs. Yess it rattles on startup for about one sec..............thats my Rhoads waking up 8) 8).

I tried 10 W 40 semi sint and found it too thin with a fully warmed up engine ( less oil pressure ).

I did the break in after my full rebuild with 20 W 50 mineral as sugested by Real Steel but was glad when the time came ( after the break in ) to change it back to 15 W 40. Had loads of problems with a cold start up getting the ( std ) lifters working the way they should especialy when the weather was getting colder. The Car was a nightmare to drive till the oil warmed up a bit.

Oil system is just a rebuild SD1 system with an heavy MGB V8 spring.
Do run a 16 row cooler with stat & remote filter assy now a days but that has more to do with the blower etc.
Oil temp is steady at about 90' Celcius.

A good proper engine should run fine with 15 W 40 we say in Holland.
20 W 50 is for engines that start to wear out.

Walking dipsticks could mean to much blow by caused by bad piston rings or not functioning PCV system.
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thev8kid wrote:
thev8kid wrote:i use a fully synthetic 20w/50 in my 3.9 from lucas oils.
didnt i say that a few posts back :roll:
Er, I wondered who would spot the deliberate mistake first :toilet

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kiwicar wrote:About the most common posting on this site is "my tappets rattle on start up and the oil pressure light is slow to go out, I changed my oil last week....." upon investigation by members here it turns out the poster changed the oil for somthing other that 20/50 (normally 15w/50 or even 10w/50) it does make a difference, it makes your tappets rattle on start up. As the cold oil is thinner the oil pump tends to drain down over night as is is an old design intended to work with nice thick and sticky 20/50 starving the bottom end on start up.
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That surprises me. In almost every engine application, the thicker oil will just pump more slowly when it’s cold. Even 5W should be thick enough to do the job at zero or room temperature, and a thinner oil usually gets where it needs to be faster.

JP. wrote:I am running it on 15 W40 valvoline turbo V mineral without probs. Yess it rattles on startup for about one sec..............thats my Rhoads waking up 8) 8).

I tried 10 W 40 semi sint and found it too thin with a fully warmed up engine ( less oil pressure ).

I did the break in after my full rebuild with 20 W 50 mineral as sugested by Real Steel but was glad when the time came ( after the break in ) to change it back to 15 W 40. Had loads of problems with a cold start up getting the ( std ) lifters working the way they should especialy when the weather was getting colder. The Car was a nightmare to drive till the oil warmed up a bit.
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This is more typical – showing that the thicker oil causes a delay in initial oiling of the top end, while the thinner oil doesn’t. That’s one of the main advantages with synthetics (especially when things overheat and the mineral oil stops protecting but the synthetic carries on doing its job).
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I was originally advised by RPI Enginering (who supplied my short engine) to run a good quality 20/50 mineral oil in my 4.6, but change it every 3,000 miles as the main problem with the RV8 is that it's quite a dirty engine.

I think it's generally accepted that synthetics are better quality oils, so I switched to 15/50 Mobil 1 after about 10,000 miles & I don't have any problems with noisy tappets on start-up. I'm still sticking with the 3,000 mile oil changes because I'd rather spend a few extra pennies on oil than end up with a rebuild...
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5000SE, I have seen the 15w50 from mobil and was thinking about using it in my race engine which is pretty much all new in the rotating assembley dept and uses solid lifters. The only thing putting me off was I thought it was designed with bike engines in mind? I may switch to this stuff after a short run in on 20w50.
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