Range Rover Classic should be a lot easier, as it has the LT230 T/C which is a Right side output. The ZF box will also probably be pre-electronic controlled so no ECu to worry about, so all you will need to do is fit the engine management system, either from the RRC or a MS/your choice system.beanyman1000 wrote:Thanks for the info, so you think the RR classic will fit straight in the the Defender TD5 without ANY mods. Engine, Gearbox and Transfer box? I was thinking of getting a new chassis anyway, so the Richards V8 chassis it will fit anyway.
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Well clearly there will be a number of other minor modifcations but the V8 and diesel 90s are essentially the same vehicle just with different engines. I suspect the gearbox/ engine mounting points on the chassis will be the same with differences taken up with the actual engine mounts.beanyman1000 wrote:So if I understand this correctly the only difference is the bell housing because the TD5 is Different,(shoter) so I would need to get engine mounts moved (welded) or get a nice NEW chassis. MMmmm I wonder which it will be???
Dont make this harder than it needs to be.
To make it as easy as possible - go a 3.9 with 4CUIX ECU (basically 1 wire to get working), if you want auto put in a ZF out of a D1 as it is stand alone - the transfer case is the same, axles the same etc.
Putting P38 stuff in is a waste of time and too complex.
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It all changes again, So old disco V8 auto is my best route??? Is there such a car about???garrycol wrote:Well clearly there will be a number of other minor modifcations but the V8 and diesel 90s are essentially the same vehicle just with different engines. I suspect the gearbox/ engine mounting points on the chassis will be the same with differences taken up with the actual engine mounts.beanyman1000 wrote:So if I understand this correctly the only difference is the bell housing because the TD5 is Different,(shoter) so I would need to get engine mounts moved (welded) or get a nice NEW chassis. MMmmm I wonder which it will be???
Dont make this harder than it needs to be.
To make it as easy as possible - go a 3.9 with 4CUIX ECU (basically 1 wire to get working), if you want auto put in a ZF out of a D1 as it is stand alone - the transfer case is the same, axles the same etc.
Putting P38 stuff in is a waste of time and too complex.
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So I now need to go the Discovery 1 route, and all the bits will fit hopefully,garrycol wrote:Well clearly there will be a number of other minor modifcations but the V8 and diesel 90s are essentially the same vehicle just with different engines. I suspect the gearbox/ engine mounting points on the chassis will be the same with differences taken up with the actual engine mounts.beanyman1000 wrote:So if I understand this correctly the only difference is the bell housing because the TD5 is Different,(shoter) so I would need to get engine mounts moved (welded) or get a nice NEW chassis. MMmmm I wonder which it will be???
Dont make this harder than it needs to be.
To make it as easy as possible - go a 3.9 with 4CUIX ECU (basically 1 wire to get working), if you want auto put in a ZF out of a D1 as it is stand alone - the transfer case is the same, axles the same etc.
Putting P38 stuff in is a waste of time and too complex.
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Hi there thanks for advice if were that easy I would but 90 V8s are like rocking horse poop. I just want the easiest way to do it. If it is not going to be possible with my skills I will just leave it a s TD5 Yuk want power.garrycol wrote:You seem to want black and white answers - unfortunately when modifiying vehicles everything is grey.
Maybe you would just be better getting a V8 90 and going from there and selling off whatever you have now.
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Hi Dave yes what I want to do is put a V8 in 90 defender with no chassis mods etc, which ever V8 fits and works with exsisting axles will do, but if everyone says I need to change axles, gear boxes and transfers then it is then no longer simple. I would like to know which axles goes with which V8 etc etc. but I want to do it just by swapping, not cutting and adding bits. if It means getting a new chassis and then just using bits from RR D1 that will be what I do. I am OK with spanners etc, but not welding and joining bits on. I don't want to buy RR "and" D1 to get parts I would like to know which donor would do the job, i.e. undo bolts move across then do up bolts, simple as poss, like me. LOL note I am not repeat not going off road with this...DaveEFI wrote:Not knowing anything about Land Rovers, I'd assumed it was quite an easy job to fit a standard 3.5 V-8 to a 90. But if going for a larger V-8 with a lot more torque, would likely have problems with the transmission, etc.
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Just be aware that the TD5 responds really well to having the ECU chipped/remapped - which when combined with a larger intercooler and exhaust brings it up to similar power levels as the V8 and a lot more torque. So in day to day driving will have lots of get up and go.beanyman1000 wrote:I will just leave it a s TD5 Yuk want power.
You dont seem to be listening - you do not have to change any of the drivetrain. When people were telling you to change axles etc it was because you were going to use a P38 gearbox etc which is definitely not compatible.beanyman1000 wrote:yes what I want to do is put a V8 in 90 defender with no chassis mods etc, which ever V8 fits and works with exsisting axles will do, but if everyone says I need to change axles, gear boxes and transfers then it is then no longer simple. I would like to know which axles goes with which V8 etc etc. but I want to do it just by swapping, not cutting and adding bits. if It means getting a new chassis and then just using bits from RR D1 that will be what I do. I am OK with spanners etc, but not welding and joining bits on. I don't want to buy RR "and" D1 to get parts I would like to know which donor would do the job, i.e. undo bolts move across then do up bolts, simple as poss, like me. LOL note I am not repeat not going off road with this...
Your Defender 90 drivetrain, manual gearbox etc is basically the same as all other Defenders, the RR Classic, Disco 1 and Disco 2 which had a myriad of engines up to a 4.6 Rover V8.
So if you are going to go with a Rover V8 then all you need is the engine and maybe some mods to the front of the gearbox - no changes to the tfr case and axles are needed. If at the same time you want to go to an auto - much more work would be needed but a D1 auto would be preferred it is not electronic and is stand alone.
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Hi Garrycol, thanks for that, you have put my small brain onto the right bits, so what I need to do now is find an old D1 V8 auto, not too simple here i France but I will have a go.garrycol wrote:You dont seem to be listening - you do not have to change any of the drivetrain. When people were telling you to change axles etc it was because you were going to use a P38 gearbox etc which is definitely not compatible.beanyman1000 wrote:yes what I want to do is put a V8 in 90 defender with no chassis mods etc, which ever V8 fits and works with exsisting axles will do, but if everyone says I need to change axles, gear boxes and transfers then it is then no longer simple. I would like to know which axles goes with which V8 etc etc. but I want to do it just by swapping, not cutting and adding bits. if It means getting a new chassis and then just using bits from RR D1 that will be what I do. I am OK with spanners etc, but not welding and joining bits on. I don't want to buy RR "and" D1 to get parts I would like to know which donor would do the job, i.e. undo bolts move across then do up bolts, simple as poss, like me. LOL note I am not repeat not going off road with this...
Your Defender 90 drivetrain, manual gearbox etc is basically the same as all other Defenders, the RR Classic, Disco 1 and Disco 2 which had a myriad of engines up to a 4.6 Rover V8.
So if you are going to go with a Rover V8 then all you need is the engine and maybe some mods to the front of the gearbox - no changes to the tfr case and axles are needed. If at the same time you want to go to an auto - much more work would be needed but a D1 auto would be preferred it is not electronic and is stand alone.
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Maybe you need to post on a LR specific site such as http://forums.lr4x4.com
The questions you are seeking answers to are more that just a V8 engine - this is a great site on the V8 aspect but chassis etc information specific to Landrovers is a bit more sketchy.
Good luck with your project.
Garry
The questions you are seeking answers to are more that just a V8 engine - this is a great site on the V8 aspect but chassis etc information specific to Landrovers is a bit more sketchy.
Good luck with your project.
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Hi Garry maybe you are correct I will try there too.garrycol wrote:Maybe you need to post on a LR specific site such as http://forums.lr4x4.com
The questions you are seeking answers to are more that just a V8 engine - this is a great site on the V8 aspect but chassis etc information specific to Landrovers is a bit more sketchy.
Good luck with your project.
Garry
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