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Non V8 help, please

Post by unstable load » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:44 am

Does anybody have a pdf copy of the manual for the Rover 6pot as fitted to the P5, please?
I have been asked to make one go again after a long lay-up in bits and as I am totally unfamiliar with that engine, I need help.


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Post by ChrisJC » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:30 pm

Is that the IoE engine as found in 6 cylinder land rovers? If so a Landie forum might be a start.

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Post by unstable load » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:56 am

It is the one. Ta for the pointer.
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Post by garrycol » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:25 am

The landrover 6 cylinder and the Rover p5 6 cylinder engine are from the same family but are different engines. For starters the LR engine is only 2.6 litres and the P5 is a 3 litre.

Basically the LR engine is a dog and is often replaced by the P5 engine.

The differences are too many for the LR workshop manual to be reliable for the P5 3 litre engine.

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Post by DaveEFI » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:34 pm

Didn't Weslake do some work on the P5 head?
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Post by unstable load » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:19 am

garrycol wrote:The landrover 6 cylinder and the Rover p5 6 cylinder engine are from the same family but are different engines. For starters the LR engine is only 2.5 litres and the P5 is a 3 litre.

Basically the LR engine is a dog and is often replaced by the P5 engine.

The differences are too many for the LR workshop manual to be reliable for the P5 3 litre engine.

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Ah, OK...so a Landy manual won't do... bugger!
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Post by unstable load » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:20 am

DaveEFI wrote:Didn't Weslake do some work on the P5 head?
It seems he did.
http://www.gbclassiccars.co.uk/rover_p5_p5b.html
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Post by harvey » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:57 am

garrycol wrote:. For starters the LR engine is only 2.5 litres and the P5 is a 3 litre.
The six pot landie is 2.6 IIRC.

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Post by garrycol » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:32 pm

Yes you are correct - was a typo - but is still not the 3.0 of the P5 engine.

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Post by unstable load » Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:41 am

It seems I have strayed into Rocking Horse poo territory with this engine... :shock:
I have found an old catalogue at my Landy Indie and they list all the part numbers and dimensions for the engine, but not a dicky bird about torques and type-specific need-to-knows.

It turns out the engine is still largely intact, with only the crank and sump removed so far, which is either good or bad news. The good would be a bottom end rumble and new shells, job done.... the bad is an aborted start to a complete tear-down and still to be discovered horrors down the road.
I still need to FIND the crank and sump, too...... :?: 8)
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Post by DaveEFI » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:28 am

Never found new shells on their own cured anything. If the shells are worn, so will be the crank.
My brother deals in automotive literature. I'll ask him if he has anything on the P5. Would a Haynes manual be better than nothing?
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Post by unstable load » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:51 am

A copy of the pertinent pages of the Haynes will do, thanks!
All I need is dimensions, torques and any odd tricks particular to that engine.

I am with you on the crank being worn along with shells, but until I can present actual figures for it to be mic'd up I am marking time.

The next clever trick is going to be finding the parts it will need.....
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Post by unstable load » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:38 am

The panic is over...
I had a breakdown on my Disco yesterday and a guy I know lent me a stack of used serpentine belts and the tools to fit them just to get me home so I could diagnose the fault properly, and when I went to give him his tools and belts back this morning, I asked him if he perhaps had any info on the 3liter 6 pot as fitted to the P5 and he walked into his garage and came out with a complete original manual for me.
Refused to take any money for it either, so I am well chuffed now.

Just need to get the Td5 going again.......but that's another non-V8 issue altogether....
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Post by gelmonkey » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:20 pm

Hi john
What a total result that is for you
Car guys just get it don't they
If help can be given then it is done no question
I'm sure there are other groups of guys who stuff and help out but would they stop and help out a total stranger at the side of the road?
Hmm maybe not but we would
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Ps good luck with the strip down and I hope it's not too bad

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Post by unstable load » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:49 am

It is a total win!
Got the engine home yesterday onto my borrowed cheapy engine stand, which promptly groaned an leant over to rest the front of the engine on the floor.... :lol: :roll:
So, toady is out with the welder and modification time first. Also off to the owner's storage to find the big-end caps, crank and sump so I can try to work out why the engine only has the crank out, so far.
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