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3.9 serpentine swap

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:33 am
by MARSHY
Hi , I have got a 3.9 serpentine type engine (with dizzy and intermediate cover) but want to swap the belt and pulleys for the older type SD1 V belt and pulleys ( space is an issue ) I believe that the serp type water pump runs in the opposite direction , is there a way around this problem? many thanks David.

Re: 3.9 serpentine swap

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:40 pm
by ChrisJC
As long as you get all of the ancillaries, pulleys, etc. etc, then the water pump will be turned in the correct direction.

I think your crankshaft maybe too long and need a spacer too.

Chris.

Re: 3.9 serpentine swap

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:34 am
by minorv8
Are you planning to keep the intermediate cover and serpentive water pump ? I think that you can run the pump in opposite direction since the vanes are in certain angle to the rotation. It will physically run backwards but not pump that effective. Maybe someone has tried this, though ?

Re: 3.9 serpentine swap

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:06 am
by MARSHY
Thanks for the replies , yes I am keeping the intermediate cover with the distributor drive, I just wanted to get rid of the serpentine belts and pulleys and use the SD1 set up , but the water pump will run the wrong way , thanks David.

Re: 3.9 serpentine swap

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:50 am
by SuperV8
ChrisJC wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:40 pm As long as you get all of the ancillaries, pulleys, etc. etc, then the water pump will be turned in the correct direction.

I think your crankshaft maybe too long and need a spacer too.

Chris.
The 'serp-belt' and 'V-belt' front covers use different water pumps - these pumps are centrifugal pumps and need to turn the correct way (as designed) to operate efficiently.
Imageserp vs V-belt pump by Tom Cranmer, on Flickr

I would not just bolt the V-belt pulley onto the pump for the serp-belt

the most compact front cover is the later GEMS/Thor if you don't need a dizzy.

Re: 3.9 serpentine swap

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:27 pm
by Mc Tool
I remember reading somewhere a peep had overheating issues on a serp motor. The guy had done mods as you want to and indeed got the whole thing running .....completely overlooking that the water pump was now running backwards .....so , no , you cant run the pump backwards :D

Re: 3.9 serpentine swap

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm
by Ian Anderson

Re: 3.9 serpentine swap

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:06 pm
by Mc Tool
Ian Anderson wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm Electric water pump?
http://www.super7thheaven.co.uk/rover-v ... ater-pump/

Ian
Or even an electric motor driving existing pump

Re: 3.9 serpentine swap

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:11 pm
by MARSHY
I have seen somewhere an electric set up made by morroso, will have a look at one of these , David