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Is my engine eating itself?

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:25 am
by Spongo
Oh dear so I decided that I will sort the ticking lifter on my SBC, first thing was a quick engine flush and drain the oil which incidentally has been in the car for less than a thousand miles. Removed the sump plug and this is what I got


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I think I will get the lifters out but I am guessing my CAM is not well :(

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:39 pm
by Stu E
A friend of mine had a tapping noise like a failed lifter in his 383. Turned out a roller had collapsed on a rocker. Cam was fine, new set of rockers from the States sorted a week later.

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:55 pm
by mgbv8
That does not look good mate.
Bear in mind that the magnetic plug is not in a recess at the bottom of the sump. So it can only catch what passes by that raised section?

It would be better to have a magnetic pad in the sump like you get on old overdrive units with an oblong flange that you can remove from the sump for inpsection.

Long story short!! Those shards look worrying to me.

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:03 pm
by mgbv8
That does not look good mate.
Bear in mind that the magnetic plug is not in a recess at the bottom of the sump. So it can only catch what passes by that raised section?

It would be better to have a magnetic pad in the sump like you get on old overdrive units with an oblong flange that you can remove from the sump for inpsection.

Long story short!! Those shards look worrying to me.

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:36 am
by JP.
Have found this so its not uncommon.
Thought mine came from the LT77
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:58 am
by Spongo
Oh bother more expense, guessed it would be, I took the lifters out from cylinders 2,4,6 & 8 which is the side the ticking was coming from and they are all OK nothing collapsed and all bearing surfaces were OK as well. I suspect the ticking is due to a lifter sticking and not pumping up fully so it will definitely get a set of those.

Going to take a cylinder head off as well to check bores etc but methinks the engine is in need of a refresh.

Anyone near Doncaster got an engine lift I can borrow?

JP yes I have seen that on many a gearbox drain plug but then I would expect a little swarf in a manual gearbox, it only takes one fluffed gear change to create a few filings like that.

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:41 pm
by unstable load
JP. wrote:Have found this so its not uncommon.
Thought mine came from the LT77
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Mine was that X 10 when I went to change the oil on my LT77... Ended up changing the box instead....

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:20 pm
by Spongo
Well after checking the oil pump drive I have found the cause of the metal filings take a look at these

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Another couple of miles and the failure would have been catastrophic

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:45 pm
by v8250
That's a great find...caught in the nick of time.

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:12 pm
by Cobratone
Do you have a high pressure or high volume oil pump??

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:58 am
by Spongo
Funny you should ask as another well known user on here who I hope can do a rebuild for me has asked the same, I honestly don't know as I bought the car with the conversion already done but it appears that it may have given the condition of the drive gear.

Needless to say it wont have a high pressure pump when it gets rebuilt :roll:

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:22 am
by unstable load
Spongo wrote:Needless to say it wont have a high pressure pump when it gets rebuilt :roll:
No reason why you should remove it, if fitted. All you need is a properly functional relief valve.
Check the relief valve first, it could well be the culprit.

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:01 am
by Spongo
Could be I guess, either way its engine out time and then decide how far to go with a refresh, hopefully just rings and bearings along with replacing the damaged items.

So have just bought an engine crane, looks like I am in for a few scraped knuckles over the next few days.

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:56 am
by DEVONMAN
Besides the damage to the dizzy cog, from the photo it looks like there is a lot of end play in the dizzy shaft.

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:18 am
by Spongo
Yup there is about 3mm of end play there I guess that's a symptom of the strain on the oil pump drive gear.

Once the engine is out then I can diagnose more reliably.

Gonna try and book some time in the man cave next weekend