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Re: dip stick length
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:54 pm
by GDCobra
Hi Paul
So if my math's is correct (no guarantee of that
) the wing will add only 336cc and assuming the max line is 50mm below block/sump face that gives
18*18*8.5 = 2,754cc
+
336cc
=
3090cc
Which does seem a little limited (my bike takes about that much!)
Seems like you could do with a little more volume in your system and I guess an oil cooler is a good way to add that however if the oil cooler is thermostatically controlled that oil will only play a part when over the temp' threshold. If not i guess you need to be carful not to keep the oil too cool.
At least your oil changes should be cheaper!
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:47 pm
by paulsv8manta
I've been told the cooler would hold 600 ml.
I've also ordered a thermostat to be on the safe side, but i'm still about 1 1/2 ltrs short. I presume the recommended quantity of oil would take the level to the mid part of the dip stick, so if i keep it topped to the max level in theory i should be just about ok as long as i don't continuously thrash the engine.
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:46 pm
by GDCobra
Well I don't know about the recommended quantity but 3L in the sump does sound a bit marginal to me, I know you will have some ,ore oil in the rest 9f the system but my thoughts are that this would be constant capacity. You do hear stories of fair quantities oil remaining in the head/rocker area, presumably all this oil will be displaced from the sump. To put it another way for a given amount of oil displaced from the sump your level will drop,about twice as much as mine. Is there any way you could increase the sump footprint or are you working around cross-members or exhausts?
Or just keep the oil topped up and change more often.
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:39 am
by paulsv8manta
It is possible to enlarge the sump a couple of inches more. I bought it from eBay ready modified for this car, obviously I’ve been duped! Hoping to run the engine until for a year before changing the inlet manifold to the Thor system and upgrading the EFI. That would be the ideal time to change the sump. Looks like I’m going to be changing the oil more frequently which won’t be a bad thing.
Cheers
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:13 am
by GDCobra
Shouldn't be a problem, you could change twice as often as you'll only be using half as much
May be worth takng the sump off and checking where the levels on the stick are and how much oil needed to reach that level in the sump.
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:15 pm
by Allan Robinson
I have just installed a V8D 4.6 engine into my kit car and without giving it much thought used the dip stick from my previous 3.9. Now having read this post has put doubt in my mind as the 4.6 crank will have a deeper throw (seam to recall about 10 mm I think).
The crux of the matter is the oil level compared to the crank and hence the coil level below the oil pan to block mating flange. Does anyone know what this should be for a 4.6?
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:33 am
by unstable load
Put the amount of oil the manual says into the engine, remove the dipstick and see where it sits reference the marks.
Remark if necessary.
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:15 am
by garrycol
If you have the correct cast alloy sump on your 4.6 I would be using the 3.9 dip stick as it is shorter - assuming the dipstick is from a 3.9 with the tin sump.
Here is a pic of the two dip sticks side by side with the tops (out of frame) aligned - the longer one is the 4.6 and the shorter one is the 3.9. As mentioned this assumes the 4.6 has the correct alloy sump and correct length dipstick tube and the 3.9 has the correct tin sump and correct length dipstick tube - these are from a Disco 1 and Disco 2 - obviously engines from different makes such as TVRs etc or engines that have had parts mixed then that confuses matters.
The length of the tube on my 3.9 is 11.5" and the 4.6 is about 13" (hard to measure with the engine in the vehicle) so if using a standard sump with standard tube you are probably over filling your sump but there are many variables. if you have a standard alloy sump and the correct tube just get the correct dip stick from a wrecker.
Capacity from dry is 6.6 litres but refill is 5.8 litres.
Garry
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:02 pm
by GDCobra
garrycol wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:15 am
If you have the correct cast alloy sump on your 4.6 I would be using the 3.9 dip stick as it is shorter - assuming the dipstick is from a 3.9 with the tin sump.
Here is a pic of the two dip sticks side by side with the tops (out of frame) aligned - the longer one is the 4.6 and the shorter one is the 3.9. As mentioned this assumes the 4.6 has the correct alloy sump and correct length dipstick tube and the 3.9 has the correct tin sump and correct length dipstick tube - these are from a Disco 1 and Disco 2 - obviously engines from different makes such as TVRs etc or engines that have had parts mixed then that confuses matters.
The length of the tube on my 3.9 is 11.5" and the 4.6 is about 13" (hard to measure with the engine in the vehicle) so if using a standard sump with standard tube you are probably over filling your sump but there are many variables. if you have a standard alloy sump and the correct tube just get the correct dip stick from a wrecker.
Capacity from dry is 6.6 litres but refill is 5.8 litres.
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Garry
The dipstick and tube have to be matched, if you use the long stick and short tube the oil level will be very low.
I put some measurements earlier from the sump face to the stick for my 3.9, maybe these need to increase for the longer crank throw or maybe not but difference is not going to be a couple of inches.
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:36 pm
by SuperV8
Also to add dipstick's vary by market, US LEV low emissions vehicles having longer stick (so lower oil level)
Tom.
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:23 pm
by Allan Robinson
Looks like quite a mine field.
From the previous pics my dipstick is from a 3.9 (my previous engine) and as I am using the same sump in this 4.6 should be ok. I know that my engine with oil cooler holds approx 6 ltrs of oil at the full make so am not worried about not having enough. My main concern was that I had heard that if over full the crank could dip into the oil and cause all sorts of issues; however, by placing the dip stick on the outside of the engine (as an approximation) I can see that the full mark is about 1" below the top of the lower scavenge area of sump pan therefore would be well clear of the crank.
So I now feel reasonably happy that I can use this 3.9 dipstick and sump pan for my 4.6
My thanks to everyone for taking the time to comment which has steered me in the right direction.
Allan
Re: dip stick length
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:39 pm
by garrycol
But are you using the 4.6 or 3.9 tube - another aspect to consider.